L.T.K. Q & A: Kitchen Mishaps
- Kashrus Awareness Staff
- 3 days ago
- 3 min read
Many questions are sent in to us on various kashrus issues. This week we sit down with Rav Shmuel Fuerst Dayan of Agudas Yisroel of Illinois so he can answer some of the questions. This week's Q&A focuses on common kitchen mishaps and other kashrus in the kitchen questions
R’ Yitzchok Hisiger: Hello everyone and welcome back to Let's Talk Kashrus, presented by the Kashrus Awareness Project in conjunction with the Chicago Rabbinical Council. Today I am privileged to be joined by Rav Shmuel Fuerst, Dayan of Agudas Yisroel of Illinois. Thank you Rabbi Fuerst for joining us once again. Appreciate it.
R’ Shmuel Fuerst: My pleasure.
R’ Yitzchok Hisiger: Today we'd like to do something a little different as opposed to speaking about a specific topic. We'd like to go through some shailos that have come in to Let's Talk Kashrus and present them to the Rav if that's okay.
R’ Shmuel Fuerst: No problem.
R’ Yitzchok Hisiger: So the first question that we received is as follows, and I'll read the questions as they came in and then allow the Rav to respond.
1) If a pot became treif through bishul akum, does one need to wait 24 hours before kashering it?
R’ Shmuel Fuerst: The din is the Shach speaks near the end of Siman Kuf Yud Gimel, that by bishul akum, it's batel b'rov. Not like usually you need shishim, it's batel b'rov. So therefore, the Darkei Teshuvah quotes over there, brings down kama poskim that hold that since it's batel b'rov, then you don't have to wait meis l'eis. You don't have to wait meis l'eis because whenever you kasher water it's always batel b'rov. So therefore you don't have to wait, you don't have to wait meis l'eis before you kasher as you can kasher immediately after it became treif, you can do it right away, kashering right away. And that's the consensus of kama poskim. That by bishul akum, since the whole is issur d'rabbanan, so it's batel b'rov, and the Shach is in the end of Kuf Yud Gimel, but there's also another Shach in the end of Kuf Yud Beis, it says the same thing also.
R’ Yitzchok Hisiger: Okay.
2) If someone inherited treif pots that were never toiveled, does one need to kasher them before toiveling them?
R’ Shmuel Fuerst: Pots that were, came treif and they were never toiveled, there's a machlokes poskim, are you allowed to first toivel and then kasher it, or you have to kasher first.
The consensus, there's a Dagul Mervavah, there's a whole machlokes in the achronim. L'maaseh l'dina, we pasken that you have to first kasher it, and then you have to toivel it. If you did it the other way around, that's a big machlokes poskim. And we pasken like the Shach, you should do it again without a bracha. You should toivel again, you should toivel again without a bracha after, after kashering, right. If you first toivel before you kashered, the second time around, that's how we pasken, that's what the Shach holds, not everyone holds like that, but l'maaseh l'dina, rov poskim seem to hold like that. That's how we pasken l'dina.
R’ Yitzchok Hisiger: Okay, this is a common question.
3) A milchig frying pan was put into a fleishig dishwasher and it went through the cycle. So two questions, what's the halacha of the milchig pan? And what's the with the fleishig dishes that may have been in the dishwasher at the same time?
R’ Shmuel Fuerst: First we'll talk about the milchig pan. The milchig pan, since all the dishes, all the pots and pans that were in there, and silverware that were in the dishwasher are fleishig, and by mistake someone put in a milchig pan and ran it through a cycle, the din is you have to kasher it. This, the milchig pan. But the rest of the dishes, you do not have to kasher. Because there's usually shishim k'neged, and plus, you use soap, the davar hapogem, which is davar hapogem, and so on. So regarding the fleishig dishes, we're meikel. But regarding the milchig pan, that we, since it's not shishim k'neged, so we, even though it's ain ben yomo, we tell them to kasher the frying pan. And a frying pan most of the time is kasherable.
R’ Yitzchok Hisiger: Got it. Okay. Thank you so much for joining us